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Trinity Fire Angel · Jul 11, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Looking at the state of the game, and making comparisons, in the 4v4 areas, i see a pattern emerging.

RA - Extremely alive and popular. Lots of people play this format. Random teams. Can be hard to play sometimes, but relatively easy. Must win 10 in a row here to get to TA

TA - Dead. Not too many teams play this format. Teams from RA play this after 10 wins. Harder to play because teams are more orgaised. Sometimes good RA teams pwn TA for up to 30 games. Must win 5 games here to get to HA

AB - 3x4 - Hugely popular. Random and Organised teams are thrown together in an allout fest of noobs and 1337s running around like noobs capping points or just fighting.

---- now lets look at HA ----

HA - 8v8, mostly empty and sometimes has more than 1 distict. Highly organised teams of 8. Relatively much much harder to play than TA even though you must go through TA to get here.

so.... what is most popular here in GW? It seems the random aspect of GW PVP is far far more popular than the team aspect in many ways. (Apart from GVG which is different).

So, lets have a RHA -> Random HA. Similar to RA and TA, we have the same maps with perhaps one or two differences. Just like HA, we still get fame from winning a HA match. After winning 5-10 matches against other random HA teams you come back to the UW and face THA (Teamed HA) groups.

Lets face it. We all want to play awsome 8v8 battles with lots of killing, etc etc. Why not put together 8 Random people with the same formula that RA works with (usually 1 or 2 monks, or healer class or none at all... but does it matter? one team will win..) and throw them onto HA maps. The pre-requisites for this are the same as HA, you must have won your 5 TA matches to get to Heros Ascent. From here you can click Join Battle or Join Random.

Easy for the programmers to do. It would revive PVP a lot and might clean up the state of farming builds like Sway and heroway that only win 1 or 2 games anyway.... people can get fame in relaxed all out 8v8 and also get to know the maps for when they can play HA for real. Why bother searching for 1/2 to get a randomway group when you can just get a random group every 30 seconds.?????

Alex the Great · Jul 11, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

it would be fun for a while

but gay

Bobulation · Jul 11, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Trinity Fire Angel

HA - 8v8, mostly empty and sometimes has more than 1 distict.

I don't agree with that, I consistently see 3 Districts in the international districts

Icy The Mage · Jul 11, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I really like this idea ( you should've made a poll but w/e)

/signed

I hate taking time to get randomway groups then getting slaughtered, there's nowhere to start T_T. Also, maybe make it so that once you get past your first 3 or 4 (maybe 5 since that seems to be consistent) wins in a row, you go to actual HA?

Chris37320 · Jul 11, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

So your really just proposing a solution to HA by making a new arena to make HA more active. I don't think it would work look at TA and RA as you say RA is the more populated one and TA is not. HA would be the equivalent to TA and since now there is a "RHA" people will just go there and make HA even more inactive? This isn't "reviving HA" its more like giving fame to players that don't want to put in the time to form an organized group of 8 players but still want to get cheap easy fame.

Trinity Fire Angel · Jul 11, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by Chris37320

So your really just proposing a solution to HA by making a new arena to make HA more active. I don't think it would work look at TA and RA as you say RA is the more populated one and TA is not. HA would be the equivalent to TA and since now there is a "RHA" people will just go there and make HA even more inactive? This isn't "reviving HA" its more like giving fame to players that don't want to put in the time to form an organized group of 8 players but still want to get cheap easy fame.

well... i am not one of the developers. but perhaps with RHA, once you get 5 wins you end up in HA. You still get fame, but what is so different to playing 2 game of sway or heroway or other noob way on the first two maps for fame or playing in a random group and getting fame? I have made some really good friends from 10 win streaks in RA and i think it is all about finding good synergies and having some fun at the same time.

Chthon · Jul 11, 2008, 04:35 AM // 04:35

1. Well, it would certainly make me more likely to play HA.

2. Fully random teams might be a problem. In RA, a team can function without any healer, and the odds of getting so many healers that you lose killing power altogether are pretty low. In short, you stand a pretty good chance of getting a "perfect" backline in RA. In an 8x8 setting, that would be different. Less than 2 healers is crippling. Multiple healers is crippling. You'd almost have to fudge the team building algorithm to distribute healers evenly. Additionally, without a consistently decent backline, random teams going against fully planned teams are going to get rolled, even if the planned teams suck.

Chris37320 · Jul 11, 2008, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Trinity Fire Angel

well... i am not one of the developers. but perhaps with RHA, once you get 5 wins you end up in HA. You still get fame, but what is so different to playing 2 game of sway or heroway or other noob way on the first two maps for fame or playing in a random group and getting fame? I have made some really good friends from 10 win streaks in RA and i think it is all about finding good synergies and having some fun at the same time.

You can find good synergies in organizing a team and playing around with the builds and being creative. Maybe try not running heroway,sway or some "noob" way and you'll have a more enjoyable HA experience.

Teh Jace · Jul 11, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

HA has usually populated 3-4 int districts and 1-3 german districts.

I rly dont wanna farm mending wammos. If u want a random factor just go int1, invite some ppl and go in (repeat after every UW as u like).

RA is so popular cuz ppl just wanna chill out after work or they have limited time to play. Also some ppl are shy to get on vent etc so they choose ab/ra over organised pvp experience.

Trinity Fire Angel · Jul 11, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

bit different in australia. we rarely get 1 INT district in HA.

Morgoth the dark · Jul 11, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

nice idea, but random team without voice communication would get raped in "real" HA with called vent spikes etc...

Evilreintje · Jul 11, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by Chris37320

You can find good synergies in organizing a team and playing around with the builds and being creative. Maybe try not running heroway,sway or some "noob" way and you'll have a more enjoyable HA experience.

there is no one running any other build under r5 or 6 so if you want fame, you're bound to join one of these groups unfortunately

Aera · Jul 11, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

RA is so popular cuz ppl just wanna chill out after work or they have limited time to play. Also some ppl are shy to get on vent etc so they choose ab/ra over organised pvp experience.

QTF.

You (Trinity Fire Angel) seem to have misunderstood the reason why RA and AB are popular: you can mess around, do whatever you want. It's fast, so you can relax when you have some spare time or when you want to test crap. Doing the organised version of it will require too much effort for low ranked people so they just stick with the random stuff. Oh and RHA will be even worse than RA, twice the people, twice the whine/rq/bs/make threads to complain on guru.

Edge Martinez · Jul 12, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

To me it would cheapen fame. I figured the zaishen emote was the answer for the people who don't want to work for a PvP title. Since RA is my fallback when HA is dead, I see any type of 8v8 random HA being as follows...

The team with the least ragers win.

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 12, 2008, 10:58 AM // 10:58

I do /sign for this. Possibly might draw more people into organized HA, because HA as it stands now is difficult for new players to get into.

Certainly the random aspect would lead to odd or difficult teams, but I imagine it would be just as much more fun than regular HA as RA is to TA, which is to say much, much more fun. I enjoy the random aspect and the improvisation in brings.

romeus petrus · Jul 12, 2008, 01:56 PM // 13:56

/notsigned

That would kinda turn HA into RA with a twist.

Frank Dudenstein · Jul 12, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Wow. In a forum totally overrun with bad posts ... it's not easy to come up with an idea so bad that it stands head and shoulders above the typical idiocy. Congrats ... I guess.

Guildwars is successful as a balanced *competitive* game because teamwork, communication, and skill determine the outcome of a match. *NOT* which random moron you happen to get teamed up with.

Yes ... RA/AB are successful .. but only because you can play one-handed....

shoogi · Jul 12, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

All I can say is look what happened when HB maps were added to RA. A tiny, minimal need for some team coordination, and that failed so badly it got removed after 1 week.
Now you wanna try that with HA, where the mechanics are infinitely more complex than HB maps? You truly believe this would work? You even think of what such a thing would cause? HA will turn into a 100% noobfest, any decent HA players left will leave and be replaced by AB players that spam flare on someone behind a door.

Sorry dude, but this is a really horrible idea.

Oh and btw, what actually needs to be done is a TA for festival games, but this has been asked for since the first wintersday and it doesn't show any signs of happening, so ppl just gave up asking for it.

Killed u man · Jul 12, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by shoogi

HA will turn into a 100% noobfest

And yet, that would would be an improvement to the 50% Rspike, 25%Sway and SF/other buttonbash and 25% rest we have now...

Chris37320 · Jul 12, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Evilreintje

there is no one running any other build under r5 or 6 so if you want fame, you're bound to join one of these groups unfortunately

I understand what you mean because winning with a lame is better than losing again and again with balanced at low levels I would hate it too.